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Mastering The Art Of Podcasting with Jordan Paris

I have a cool influencer to talk with you, Jordan Paris. Jordan is a 21-year-old author, web developer, podcast host and former college athlete seen in Men’s Health, Yahoo Finance and NASDAQ as a beacon of light for inspiring people from all walks of life. Jordan’s podcast, Growth Mindset University, was ranked number three in iTunes training category and is consistently in the top ten. On the show, he interviews young up-and-comers and the most successful people like Kevin Rudolf, David Meltzer, Mark Manson, Rachel Starr and Dan Lok. He is also the Founder of the WordPress Rocketeer, where he focuses on developing engaging websites to launch his clients’ dreams. He approaches life and business as a simple yet powerful mantra, “Don’t make a living, design a life.” With this creator’s mentality, he has been able to produce outstanding results for himself and challenges others to rise above circumstances and take control of their lives. Welcome, Jordan.

Thank you so much. It’s a pleasure to be here, Tracy.

I’m excited to talk to you about the success that you’ve had because we don’t get a lot of young podcasters. There’s a gap of young entrepreneurs not taking the podcast, but they’re huge podcast listeners. Why is it that you decided a podcast was for you?

People ask me this question all the time. It’s probably one of the most asked questions and I don’t have an answer. There’s no sexy story behind it. There was never a moment I cannot recall for the life of me when that moment that I decided to start the show or even why I decided to start the show. All I know is that episode number one came out on April 17, 2018. That’s all I know. It’s like I was in a coma or something. That’s what happened. That’s the answer to your question.

What are some of the most interesting or funny things that have happened to you since you started podcasting?

The whole journey has been cool. Whenever I’m reading a book, I ended up reaching out to that author. I was listening to Kevin Rudolf. I was listening to Let It Rock and all those songs. I was like, “I forgot about him.” I was feeling it. It was making me feel good. My Bluetooth headphone is on the pool. I was loving it. I was like, “I should reach out to him.” I got up and did a little bit of searching, not a ton. It was incredibly easy to find his email and I had a response within an hour and a half. He’s a cool guy. We’ll be in Miami getting together.

That’s a good important point that you’re making. Most people don’t reach out. Having the podcast gives you quite a bit of reach. It gives you quite a bit of authority to be able to ask because you’re giving them publicity. Who doesn’t want that?

That’s what you’re giving them. You have something to offer them that’s much different than as to, “Let’s talk on the phone.” It’s like there’s nothing of value to offer them. A podcast is a great excuse to connect with and be friends with the most successful people out there.

I’m sure your setup and getting started podcasting didn’t go smoothly especially if you can’t remember how it even got started. What were some of the big mistakes we made early on?

I always wish that I knew what I was doing. Now, I know that there’s this small window for you to get in New and Noteworthy on Apple podcasts. I had no idea about that until months later when it was far too late. I was like, “What am I going to do? Start another podcast?” No, I’m not.

You don’t have to be new. You could still be noteworthy. You could grab the opportunity.

There are so many things. In the beginning, I was on Anchor of all things and eventually switched to something far better now. I use Simplecast. We talked about that before. I know you have a brilliant hosting platform as well. I’ve got this box below me of all my in-person interview equipment. It took me ten months to figure out what technology to use. It’s crazy how we have augmented reality, virtual reality and all this stuff. It’s super advanced. The audio equipment, I feel like they’re stuck in the ‘90s. The Zoom H5 is an expensive piece of equipment.

Tom did a whole recap of all of the equipment out there, the microphones. Mostly the kind of microphones that are like this where you’re handheld or on a mount that you would have in your office. Not necessarily ones you take on the road because you might still use these types of mics, but you plug them into the Zoom devices. He was reviewing them and the real issue is what we found was that the equipment was designed for studio use. When you don’t have a studio, you overpay for what you’re getting for what doesn’t work. It picks up so much ambient sound because it’s creating rich sound in a studio and it’s not serving you well. What we found was the more expensive equipment, the worse the outcome in a general environment. When you use those same microphones, you think you need better. If you’re out in the field, you are making it worse for yourself. That’s where you’re making more work for you on the editing side is what happens because as you know when you start going, it’s resulting sound file that’s the problem. Not the recording of it that none of that is noticeable in the field. You’re trying around this ugly looking device.

There are a lot of adapters and stuff and it makes sense because the microphones I use are $29 Audio-Technica lav mics on there. I cannot believe how good they are. They are unreal. I have so much good to say about them. They have a twenty-foot long cord. That can be a blessing and a curse. I can’t tell you the exact model. I have a blog post up with all the equipment that I use, JordanParis.com/pu.

That’s exactly the same issue. That’s why Tom and I invented a new microphone that’s going to come out soon. It’s going to come out this summer on Indiegogo and Kickstarter because I was like, “It was the cords, cables and missing interviews because the equipment failed.” That drove me to say we have to have a better solution. These equipment fails are definitely early on big mistakes that happen and lessons that you learned.

I was a one-man crew giving a lecture at a university. I love this iPhone XS Max for video especially when I don’t want to deal with more complicated stuff. I had a USB camera adapter in here plugged into this iPhone. That camera adapter was going to my Zoom H5. The iPhone was on a tripod and the twenty-foot wires coming out of my Zoom H5 for my Audio Technica microphone. It was this long chain of connecting wires and it was ridiculous. The reason I did that is that now, I had to do zero postproduction and matching of the audio and video. It went right to my phone and it’s perfect. It was pretty wild, complicated and stressful.

Part of the reason why we started our business the way that we did was that there were such tech challenges to doing it that it kept people from doing what was great like inviting great guests and getting into the content and doing what you do best. Let’s talk a little bit about that. What drove you to build this podcast and is it building your business in the way that you expected?

Right now, I’ve got this new thing going on where you and I had talked about it. It’s a full-service marketing agency for serious podcasters. I’m still building it. I have people reach out to me all day on LinkedIn because that’s where my presence is. That’s where it happens for me. I post these videos and they get tens of thousands of views. I post promo, short little snippets of the podcast. People ask me all day, I’ll wake up with 85 messages, “Jordan, how did you create this video? Jordan, how did you create that video? Jordan, what are you using? Jordan, how’d you do this? How’d you do that in the beginning? What about this graphic?”

Podcasting: The podcast is a great excuse to connect with and be friends with the most successful people out there.

They want to know all about the how-to.

Even when I tell them how to do it, they can’t do it o

ne-tenth as good as we do it.

That’s a huge problem. That’s why I’ve always been reluctant about teaching. I’m doing a boot camp. I’ve been pushed into it because so many people were like, “We need a low-cost.” I was like, “I’m going to teach you and you’re not going to be successful.” I finally figured out a way where I can make them do it while they’re in the boot camp with me and then I know I can make sure they’re successful. I didn’t want them to come away and not be able to do it.

I’m setting up for this marketing agency for serious podcasters. What I had mentioned with my lead magnet, which is Podcast University, JordanParis.com/pu. It’s a blog post. It’s completely free, but you have to put in your email. What it does is it solves for all the unknown variables of podcasting like everything. Sometimes I’ll post, for example, “The time to start a podcast is now or never,” next line, “There are over 700,000 podcasts as of 2019… See more,” which is what happens on LinkedIn. You have to click “see more” to see the rest of the post. It’s a video of me talking about the statistics of podcasting. It gets 19,000 views. There’s a call to action at the end of it, “If you want to start your own podcast, reach out to me and I’ll help you.”

I got so many leads from a video that got 19,000 views of all about podcasts. I sent them to Podcast University. Every single turn, I am creating customers. I haven’t even started yet. I’ve got three people now waiting to pay me big money. It’s exciting. It’s not done yet. We’re building that right now, hiring. You know all about it. I’m preaching to the choir here. It has absolutely changed my life. My friend was saying, “Jordan, I am jealous as to how easy it’s going to be for you to market this. It’s going to be so natural and how easy it is going to be for you to get clients.” I was like, “I know.”

That’s one of the benefits of being early in on it because you were saying 700,000. The reality is that there are only about 300,000 that are active. If you asked me 300,000 to 500,000, I think it’s on the low side based on the numbers I’ve seen. If you’ve only got that many active, they are looking for people too who have answers. Let’s do some lessons. In your experience becoming a center of influence in podcasting, what are some of the best ways to book great guests?

This is a loaded question. This is a part of a huge chunk of my 55-minute lecture. It was on this.

It’s a big topic. Give us a good sound bite here. Give us something that is one of your favorite ways to book a great guest.

Before you reach out to them, it’s called digging the well before you’re thirsty. Build rapport with them before you go in for any ask. The ask being thirsty and building the rapport, digging the well. Comment on all of their stuff on LinkedIn, on Twitter, Instagram or whatever. If they’re on LinkedIn, that’s my favorite tool. If they’re on LinkedIn and they’re relatively active on LinkedIn, you’ve got it made. It’s easy to talk to them. They start replying to your comments, liking your comments. Even if they don’t, send a message without even going in for an ask without asking them to get on the phone. Don’t ask them for anything and don’t gush either.

If you’re a fan, the natural inclination is needy is creepy. Even in relationships, if someone is needy, our natural inclination is to swatch it away like a fly. They push you away or run away. You can engage them with a light compliment and express how grateful that you are to be connected with them. It’s relatively simple. I have this email template and I hate to say the word template. I used to get people on LinkedIn. That’s what I’m talking about LinkedIn. Now that I’ve gravitated away, I am going for rock star guests. I’m migrating away from LinkedIn. I have this template, I hate to call it a template because it’s really not. It’s highly personalized. If you look up Tim Ferriss’-Alex Banayan email template, you will find a rough outline of it somewhere in the Google searches there.

It reaches their eyes freely too but you are right because the template part is not the important part. The important part is the way you personalize it. You’ve done a little research on them. You’ve gotten to know them better. That’s the important part of it. It’s not actually the format of it, although the format does help.

I’m going to pull up my email, for example, Kevin Rudolf. The subject line is “Kevin, I love your music.” There is no evidence of an “ask” there. These people are getting asked stuff all day long. You don’t want to be grouped in with that. I said, “Dear Kevin,” next line, “I’m sure you received quite the abundance of emails so this will be quick.” Next line, “I love your music and resonate with it. I’ve been listening to you since I was eleven.” Next line, “I’m 21 years old and have interviewed Rachel Starr, David Meltzer and John Lee Dumas. I have Mark Manson, Dan Lok, Evan Carmichael and Jordan Harbinger coming up soon on my schedule. I’d love to add you to this mix and create something truly special. Plus, I hear you have a new single coming out,” which is implying that we can promote it. Fast forward, his new single has come out and we helped to promote it. I absolutely love it.

Next line, “My show, Growth Mindset University,” which is linked to Apple podcasts. If he were to click it, he would see that we have over 180 ratings, 193 as of this now. “My show Growth Mindset University is all about learning the lessons we should have learned in school but didn’t. The honor would be entirely mine to host you.” Next line, “Are you opposed getting to a no first before I get to a yes? Sometimes people are reluctant to say yes.” Next line, “Again, I totally get how busy you are so even a short reply would be great.” I guilt tripped people, to be honest. Next line, “Cheers to manufacturing, amazing Jordan.” and social proof filled email signature with all my socials. They get an actual signature like me, my written cursive signature there, my JP. There’s even an effect in Photoshop called Painter Fly or Painterly or something. There’s this cool graphic of me so I’m no longer a faceless email. You can see my face. It’s seen in Men’s Health, Yahoo Finance. It’s the graphic of all those logos there. It’s sent from my iPhone as the signature. I hope you appreciate me bearing and sharing.

Thank you so much for sharing that. I appreciate that.

It works because I reach out to the highest level of individuals. I’ll get four out of ten replying and giving me a yes. That’s a huge number in my opinion when you’re reaching out to such high-level individuals.

I’ve never been turned down. That’s never happened in anything. We’ve had trouble scheduling some of my top-level celebrity style guests. I’ve never been turned down. That’s what happens. The more you go into it, the longer you do it. Mine is usually because I have an Inc. column associated with my name as well. It’s not the podcast. I have an extra level of authority. Their PR firms are not tight with the gate at that point because it’s double publicity for them.

It was at the end of 2018, I’d never been turned down but I wasn’t really reaching out.

You weren’t going as high. You’re not turned down necessarily. They don’t usually answer. You’re not getting to them because there are a lot of teams involved. That’s always an issue. It’s understanding how they’re structured. You don’t know. It’s almost impossible to understand it unless you have an insider like here’s their publicity firm or here’s their manager. Here’s how this works. It’s hard to find that out.

Podcasting: You can engage guests with a light compliment and express how grateful that you are to be connected with them.

You mentioned going to the manager, sometimes you need an inside man. Somebody who has been trying to get James Altucher, he commented on my post because we had talked about this a long time ago. I’m doing an in-person interview in New York City in front of a live audience. I posted something about it. My friend who has a podcast, “I’ve been trying to get him for five months. Congrats.” I was like, “That fell into my lap. I did not even have to do a single thing.” I had an inside man. He owns part of this comedy club in New York City. His chief of staff there happened to read my book and listen to me on another podcast and commented on someone else’s Instagram post of me saying, “GMU is legit. I read the book. I love the podcast.” I was like, “Thanks, dude.” He goes, “The next time you’re in New York City, you have to do a book signing at Stand Up New York and perhaps do an interview with Altucher.” I was like, “Okay.”

That happened to me though. When you have someone else who says, “This is legit. This is a good podcast. This is the thing,” and their insiders, they trust them. That makes a difference. One of my podcasters had sought out and got an interview with Mike Michalowicz, Profit First. He’s an amazing lecturer. He’s got a new book out called Clockwork, which I absolutely love. I’m a fan. I’ve listened to him for a long time. He has Entrepreneurship Elevated as his podcast. It used to be called Profit First Podcast. They’ve morphed over time. She said, “I’ve got a contact there, would you like it?” I said, “Yes, please.” She made an introduction for me. I scooped her evidently because of my authority level with the column and offering to write an article and not just do the podcast. I got in a month before he’s scheduled on her show. She was like, “How’d you do that?” I was like, “It helps when you have that extra level of either insider introduction or authority.” Let’s go on and do some more of our tips here. What are some lessons tips for increasing listeners?

I post the snippet of the podcast on LinkedIn, a compelling snippet of the show. It’s something fast-paced. I will edit stuff out and make it perfect, the snippet at least and put that into a video form, write a nice long post about it and get 10,000 views. At the end of the post, “By the way, if you want to hear more of this conversation, here it is.” It’s content marketing you would call it. Another thing too is this is a much longer game, but Facebook dollar-a-day ad strategy there. You take your greatest hits there and you amplify them even more. The dollar-a-day is almost like an experiment, but it still gets you a little bit of reach. It’s the same experiment. You take your most successful ads and you boost the heck out of them. That’s another simpler way to do it as well.

You’re doing a lot of production yourself. How do you produce it in a professional way?

Some of these tools are highlighted in Podcast University. I used to use Zoom for the first 65 episodes. I switched to something called SquadCast, which is the audio tracks are recorded locally for each guest. You get two lossless wav files that are recorded locally for each guest at the end of it. If you talk over each other or if someone’s making noise while the other person is talking, you can edit it out.

The two-track recording is available on Zoom now. We used to use Zencastr and SquadCast, but it was too much tech for my clients. We’re grateful that Zoom offered it. They only offer it at their $14.99 level. It’s not on the free level of Zoom. If you had a totally free account, they don’t allow that. On the $14.99, which is not much per month, spend that. It’s only been in the last year that it’s happened. Almost nobody knew it was in there.

I had no idea. I switched about a few months ago. It must have been within then. I’m going to have to look into that, but SquadCast is pretty much what I use.

It’s a good program. A lot of people use it and they have great success with it. It does a little tech challenging for your average person who isn’t comfortable with everything. You’re more techie than others. You are a web developer. You’ve got more skills than some of my speakers and authors. You got to think about it from that way. You edit those two tracks into a better recording. That’s the thing. What do you use to edit?

I keep it simple. I use Audacity. It gets the job done for me. I will never, no matter what, I say this now, but we’ll see what happens. Delegation is important but I will never delegate the editing because there are certain things and people don’t think like me.

There’s a lot of creative and editorial choices that happen in the edit.

That too, but it’s not even that. I say stupid stuff. I have my crutches. Sometimes instead of “um,” I’ll say, “and.” I’ll stretch out the “and.” I hate the way it sounds. People know that. People are like, “Yeah.” I don’t like that breadth there. I don’t like the way I was running around my words there. That’s the stuff I want to edit out. I don’t have to listen to the entire thing back. I’m taking notes as I’m recording, like edit at 27 minutes and 42 seconds. I know instead of editing it three weeks later, I’d have to re-listen to the entire thing. I was in the conversation.

It does take longer after and that’s what most people don’t know. How long does it typically take you to edit?

It’s five to ten minutes. You go to this website, Auphonic.com. It’s this automatic postproduction. It levels out all the audio. It brings it to the level of loudness that podcasters are supposed to be at. It does all the noise and hum reduction. If it’s like an in-person one and it works well. You can even do multitrack production. It’s a great tool. You can attach your intro and outro to it and it will mix it all up together. You can overlay them. It’s such a simple tool to use. It makes the podcast sound primo. It’s good.

That jumpstarts you and gets you moving there. What’s the best way to encourage engagement? How to get people to talk back with you? How do you get them to send ratings and reviews? That’s engagement as well. How do you do that?

People act like it’s so hard to do. The first thing that I thought of when you said an engagement was I started thinking about my social posts and this works on LinkedIn. It’s not tried and true on other platforms. I’ll use and elaborate double binding question where I give people the illusion of choice. People want control. I give them an illusion of choice where both outcomes though result in a favorable outcome for me. I pose a question, not every post, but almost every single post that I make. It’s hard to give an example because it’s different for every single post. I’ll say like, “I talk about a certain topic and let’s discuss.” At the beginning and the end of the post, I’ll pose the question and I’ll say like, “Do you think X or do you think it’s better to do Y?” Rather than, “What are your thoughts? You’re giving them an elaborate double binding question where your brain automatically starts thinking, “I prefer that.” It’s like, “Why not say it’s a great tool that I use in all forms of communication.” I use it with my friends in texts when I want to make plans.

I use it all the time. I learned it from a behavioral analyst, Chase Hughes, who wrote a book called The Ellipsis Manual: Analysis and Engineering of Human Behavior. The guy is a smart man. There is a whole behavioral table of elements instead of a periodic table of elements. It’s intense. He’s a good friend of mine. He introduced me to some cool people. In terms of like the podcast, I am getting ratings and reviews. I ran a contest on LinkedIn. Because of the social proof on my show, everyone wants to be on my show. I get requests all day. Some of them are annoying. Some of them are like, “I get it. I appreciate you, but I’m still not accepting it.” Some people are very inconsiderate with it and entitled. I’m like, “No.” I opened it up one time. I was giving away a slot on the podcast. All you had to do was leave a review and take a screenshot of that review from Apple podcasts before you hit submit and comment it on the post. That was effective. You have to create a good podcast too.

You’ve done how many shows now?

The 102 came out now.

Podcasting: Never delegate the editing because there are certain things that people don’t think like you do.

You surpassed 100. Congratulations on surpassing the magic 100 mark. Did you do a big splash at 100?

Mark Manson was Episode 99. I started this new series called Follow Up Friday, where I talk about the interviews, what I learned from the week. We get into a huddle before we go out and crush it again next week. I draw a nice play for next week. I give them a little preview to who’s coming next week, what I’m reading and what I’m having fun with. It’s to develop a relationship with the audience. My Episode 100 was Follow Up Friday and I forgot.

Did anyone say anything to you? That’s when you know you got it when your fans are like, “Where were you?”

It’s good because that happened where I messed up. The podcast came out, but the blog post with the player and the shows notes that went with it wasn’t. I scheduled it for later. I messed up. I’ve done it now twice. It’s kind of a problem. People have told me, so that’s good.

Are you doing about two a week?

Now, it’s three. It was two.

You’ve amped it up even more.

The third one on Friday is ten minutes.

The last one for a bit of advice here is, are you monetizing your show and if so, what’s the best way to monetize it or what’s the best plan for monetization?

At the moment, I’m not monetizing it. I am in the sense that my lead magnet is front and center. I added that into the new intro at Podcast University. I also mention it in the outro. It’s not like direct monetization, but it’s made me money. It’s taken me places. It’s incredible. It was a long story. I’ve had a couple of people approach me on sponsorships. I’ve had a couple of people approach me on making a LinkedIn video and paying me to do that because I get great reach there. I’m not the monetization king right now. It’s a long game.

That’s maybe the plan. The plan is to have a long game. If it’s rewarding your core business or the business that you’re working towards, why not? That’s monetization. Clients and leads are monetization too.

Guests on the show, several of them have become high-paying clients.

What makes your podcast unique? There are a lot of podcasts in the growth, business and mindset. There are a lot of them in business growth in general. It’s a huge category. What makes it unique and makes it binge listenable that makes people go from the beginning and listen to all 102?

You could argue that I do an interview show like so many people and whatever. I put it a little education twist on it because my life’s cause is education. Formal education is a gigantic, tragic, criminal scam. There’s a lot that goes into that. I absolutely despise the system. I posted about it every now and then. Those posts blow up and they do very well. It’s a controversial issue. I turn a lot of people off but I alienate a lot of people intentionally to find my tribe. That’s how you do it. You’ve got to alienate some people. Someone asked me that like, “Should I do a show about this or a show about this? I’m afraid if I do it about this, it’s going to alienate a bunch of people.” I’m like, “Are you kidding me? That’s what you want.”

You want to have a position. As I mentioned, I interviewed Mike Michalowicz. He mentioned that specifically. He said, “Having a slant, having an angle on what you do is extremely important. That is having my bias come through is important because it helps people understand the value of listening again and again what they’re going to get from you that they don’t get from someone else.”

Here’s the principle. Draw your line in the sand and choose a side. I think about that all the time. Sometimes I even dramatize things very intentionally. I get on podcasts like this. I used to tell people, “This is exactly what I do and this is why I do it. People still get the riled up because the people that get riled up don’t end up hearing that message. They’re ignorant. It’s all about learning the lessons that we should have learned in school but did not. Each episode features a brand-new lesson. I extract those lessons. One of the questions on the form that the guests have to fill out is what skill or lesson can you teach? I need to know that. I need to extract it, show it and make it actionable throughout the interview. Part of it too is learning from the people we should have learned from in school because a lot of times we’re reading from generic McGraw-Hill PowerPoints.

I interviewed Dr. Larry Sanger, who is one of the Cofounders of Wikipedia. He’s working on a new blockchain program called Everipedia. It’s like flipping what’s going on in learning encyclopedias in the world. He’s a doctor of philosophy, PhD. One of the things he said was exactly that, “We are supposed to be able to count our textbooks, our news and our information like facts, but they’re not neutral. If they’re not neutral, where are we going to get neutrality? Where are we going to get information? How are we going to go about doing that?” That’s what he’s striving to build there. That’s when he came on board with the Everipedia group to try to build a better, more neutral information base. I was like, “To think you got a philosopher on your staff, that’s a cool plan for a business.”

What makes it binge listenable? It’s good. I do many hours of homework for everyone. I’m going into the James Altucher and I know everything about him. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve been James Altucher. People can tell that I do my homework. That’s why I don’t take requests because I need to be thirsty to learn from them.

Podcasting: Draw your line in the sand and choose a side.

If I’m curious, if I’m interested, then I’m going to take the interview. I’m going to ask for it or I’m going to take it. If someone offers it to me, it piques my curiosity of something that I’m passionate about or interested in, I’ll definitely do that. This is the thing what I think that Jordan has hit on it. One of the things that make Growth Mindset University such a great podcast is truly that. You are a podcast listener. There are a lot of podcast hosts who are not that I’ve come across. They are not listeners. It makes a difference because you understand your listener mindset more. You’re a fan of the people who you invite on your show. You’ve done deep research. You’ve done interview prep. Many people do not do any prep at all. They’ve never listened to your show. They don’t know anything about you. That’s where it starts to fall apart in the show itself and its success.

If you don’t give you know what, why would anyone else give you know what? I can think of people distinctly in my mind right now who do not care.

Jordan, I have good circulation. We also have a PR team who pushes this out. Authority Magazine has a high circulation rate. Who would you like on your show? Who’s your big ask? Can we tag them here and maybe make that happen for you? You can ask them yourself, but why not put it out there? We can make it easier.

There’s been some controversy with Tony Robbins.

For those who don’t know, there’s been a big BuzzFeed expose on Tony Robbins. It’s quite controversial because a lot of his inside fans are like, “This is not the way it works.” There are people going on record. It’s pretty controversial right now.

I don’t know that I quite buy it however and I love him. However, if he’s done something wrong, I’m open to him being wrong.

People aren’t flawless.

However, he was the pinnacle. Right now, it’s in limbo. Joe Rogan is at the top of my list. Tom Bilyeu is the top of my list. Tim Ferriss, I’m looking him up. I’ve already interviewed my favorite author, Mark Manson.

I’m glad to have you on the show. I’m glad you are well read. I’m glad you are sharing your knowledge. I’m glad that you are out there pushing Growth Mindset University helping others jump on board and flip the switch. Start thinking about new ways to look at the world, new ways to develop their own mindset and having a creator’s mentality. That is what has impressed me the most about you. You’re out there cranking and creating and that makes for a great show and a great host.

Thank you very much for your kind words. I do appreciate them.

Thanks, everyone, for reading.

Important Links:

• Growth Mindset University
• WordPress Rocketeer
• Anchor
• Simplecast
• JordanParis.com/pu
• LinkedIn – Jordan Paris
• Mike Michalowicz
• Clockwork
• Entrepreneurship Elevated
• Podcast University
• SquadCast
• Zencastr
• Audacity
• Auphonic.com
• The Ellipsis Manual: Analysis and Engineering of Human Behavior
• Everipedia
• Mark Manson – Previous episode on Growth Mindset University Podcast
• https://JordanParis.com
• Dr. Larry Sanger

About Jordan Paris

Jordan Paris is a 21-year-old author, web-developer, podcast host, and former college athlete seen in Men’s Health, Yahoo Finance, and Nasdaq as a beacon of light for inspiring people from all walks of life. Jordan’s podcast, Growth Mindset University, was ranked #3 in the iTunes Training category and is consistently in the top ten.

On the show, he interviews young up-and-comers and the most successful people on planet earth like Kevin Rudolf, David Meltzer, Mark Manson, Rachel Starr, and Dan Lok. Jordan is also the founder of The WordPress Rocketeer, where he focuses on developing engaging websites to launch his celebrity clients’ dreams to infinity and beyond.

His approach to life and business is simple yet powerful: Don’t make a living, design a life. With this creator’s mentality, Jordan has been able to produce outstanding results for himself and challenge others to rise above circumstances and take control of their lives.

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